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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-70376</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathleen&#8212;

Thanks for your questions. I welcome the opportunity to share some reflections with you as you explore the Eastern Church.

You've pretty much got it on Meatfare and Cheesefare Sundays. Eggs fall under "cheesefare", which might be described as any food produced by an animal (versus food which &lt;em class="underscore"&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the animal, "meatfare"). So the last eggs before Lent are eaten on Cheesefare Sunday.

As for fish, practice varies. Some Byzantines will eat fish on Fridays. Some will eat fish Fridays through Sundays. Others only on special feast days that fall during Lent (as Annunciation often does). Others abstain from fish altogether.

For that latter group (I am one of them) you're talking about a vegan fast of 46 days (40 days of Lent plus the 6 days of Holy Week). In my case, those 46 days are broken up by any special events like my children's birthdays (if Ada wants pepperoni pizza on her birthday, daddy's going to have some with her&#8212;and cake and ice cream, too), and my anniversary, which will fall in Lent all but one or two years out of our entire marriage.

The alcohol thing is my own take on a traditional abstention from wine during Lent&#8212;which like fish is total for some, all but feast days (Sundays and feasts like Annunciation) for others, etc. Since beer held the place in medieval Western Europe that wine did in Byzantium, it seems appropriate to me to abstain from beer (either instead or in addition to wine). 

Personally I prefer to abstain from all alcohol, because to drink is to celebrate (if you're doing it right&#8212;and I mean, if you're drinking right &lt;em class="underscore"&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; if you're celebrating right)&#8212;to feast&#8212;and feasting is the opposite of fasting. Lent is the time to seek detachment from earthly goods, and in so doing to discover how strongly attached we really are to all these things which are not God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathleen&mdash;</p>
<p>Thanks for your questions. I welcome the opportunity to share some reflections with you as you explore the Eastern Church.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve pretty much got it on Meatfare and Cheesefare Sundays. Eggs fall under &#8220;cheesefare&#8221;, which might be described as any food produced by an animal (versus food which <em class="underscore">is</em> the animal, &#8220;meatfare&#8221;). So the last eggs before Lent are eaten on Cheesefare Sunday.</p>
<p>As for fish, practice varies. Some Byzantines will eat fish on Fridays. Some will eat fish Fridays through Sundays. Others only on special feast days that fall during Lent (as Annunciation often does). Others abstain from fish altogether.</p>
<p>For that latter group (I am one of them) you&#8217;re talking about a vegan fast of 46 days (40 days of Lent plus the 6 days of Holy Week). In my case, those 46 days are broken up by any special events like my children&#8217;s birthdays (if Ada wants pepperoni pizza on her birthday, daddy&#8217;s going to have some with her&mdash;and cake and ice cream, too), and my anniversary, which will fall in Lent all but one or two years out of our entire marriage.</p>
<p>The alcohol thing is my own take on a traditional abstention from wine during Lent&mdash;which like fish is total for some, all but feast days (Sundays and feasts like Annunciation) for others, etc. Since beer held the place in medieval Western Europe that wine did in Byzantium, it seems appropriate to me to abstain from beer (either instead or in addition to wine). </p>
<p>Personally I prefer to abstain from all alcohol, because to drink is to celebrate (if you&#8217;re doing it right&mdash;and I mean, if you&#8217;re drinking right <em class="underscore">and</em> if you&#8217;re celebrating right)&mdash;to feast&mdash;and feasting is the opposite of fasting. Lent is the time to seek detachment from earthly goods, and in so doing to discover how strongly attached we really are to all these things which are not God.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathleen</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-70265</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a Byzantine church about 45 minutes from us. My husband and I have attended Mass there from time to time. And now we feel called to attend Mass there regularly.  I have heard of Meatfare Sunday and Cheesefare Sunday but because we are Latin Rite Catholics, I never really was concerned with what the terms meant. I want to know if I understand this correctly. On Meatfare Sunday, that is the last chance to partake in meat and meat-based broths and sauces? What about fish? On Cheesefare Sunday, that is the last chance to partake in dairy products? During what week do the eggs get taken out of the picture? Do you pretty much eat as a vegan?


Now I have heard of the Corinthian fast before. But is abstinence from alcohol a traditional practice? Or is that something that you personally do?


I understand your hesitance to discuss your fasting practices. But I do appreciate you writing this. I feel like I have learned something of value, and I will consider it prayerfully in preparation for this year's Lent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Byzantine church about 45 minutes from us. My husband and I have attended Mass there from time to time. And now we feel called to attend Mass there regularly.  I have heard of Meatfare Sunday and Cheesefare Sunday but because we are Latin Rite Catholics, I never really was concerned with what the terms meant. I want to know if I understand this correctly. On Meatfare Sunday, that is the last chance to partake in meat and meat-based broths and sauces? What about fish? On Cheesefare Sunday, that is the last chance to partake in dairy products? During what week do the eggs get taken out of the picture? Do you pretty much eat as a vegan?</p>
<p>Now I have heard of the Corinthian fast before. But is abstinence from alcohol a traditional practice? Or is that something that you personally do?</p>
<p>I understand your hesitance to discuss your fasting practices. But I do appreciate you writing this. I feel like I have learned something of value, and I will consider it prayerfully in preparation for this year&#8217;s Lent.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Westcott</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-45918</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Westcott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watched the movie 'Ostrov' and was reminded that I have been interested in learning to say the Jesus Prayer in Church Slavonic and/or Russian, but I don't know how to pronounce the words.  Is there a website where I can hear this to practise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watched the movie &#8216;Ostrov&#8217; and was reminded that I have been interested in learning to say the Jesus Prayer in Church Slavonic and/or Russian, but I don&#8217;t know how to pronounce the words.  Is there a website where I can hear this to practise?</p>
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		<title>By: Square Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Long and Sustained Effort</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-7726</link>
		<dc:creator>Square Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Long and Sustained Effort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We are now in the second week of the Great Fast. I wrote several posts about the Fast last year, but as yet I don&#8217;t feel called to write much about it this year. However, I do want to address the question of whether one ought to fast on Sundays during Lent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] We are now in the second week of the Great Fast. I wrote several posts about the Fast last year, but as yet I don&#8217;t feel called to write much about it this year. However, I do want to address the question of whether one ought to fast on Sundays during Lent. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Square Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Rocky, Rooty Uphill Climb</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Square Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Rocky, Rooty Uphill Climb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 17:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I do not know how difficult NFP has been for Sam and Bethany Torode, and while I do &#8220;remember&#8221; how difficult it has been for me and my wife at times, that difficulty is not really present for me at this moment—not now, with the Great Fast (and it&#8217;s &#8220;Corinthian&#8221; component) ended, and with breastfeeding infertility making NFP a non-issue. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I do not know how difficult NFP has been for Sam and Bethany Torode, and while I do &#8220;remember&#8221; how difficult it has been for me and my wife at times, that difficulty is not really present for me at this moment—not now, with the Great Fast (and it&#8217;s &#8220;Corinthian&#8221; component) ended, and with breastfeeding infertility making NFP a non-issue. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing Renee's comments:  great Jesus prayer graphic, Eric.  Seems you're an artist to add to your talents... The Jesus Prayer has always been my favourite prayer too. Use it most when I am in great aridity in my personal prayer- which is most of the time. Like you, I have always used it as my Act of Contrition. Read a great little book on it - by Bishop Kalistos Ware (Orthodox).  To be highly recommended. Now have holy nun-made chotki adorning wrist, in place of rosary. happy fasting. James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing Renee&#8217;s comments:  great Jesus prayer graphic, Eric.  Seems you&#8217;re an artist to add to your talents&#8230; The Jesus Prayer has always been my favourite prayer too. Use it most when I am in great aridity in my personal prayer- which is most of the time. Like you, I have always used it as my Act of Contrition. Read a great little book on it - by Bishop Kalistos Ware (Orthodox).  To be highly recommended. Now have holy nun-made chotki adorning wrist, in place of rosary. happy fasting. James</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that's original. I can't bring myself to post an entry without a graphic, so I had to punch that one up. Feel free to use it. I'd like to do one in Church Slavonic too, if I get around to the post on the Jesus Prayer I'm mulling over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s original. I can&#8217;t bring myself to post an entry without a graphic, so I had to punch that one up. Feel free to use it. I&#8217;d like to do one in Church Slavonic too, if I get around to the post on the Jesus Prayer I&#8217;m mulling over.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Poppins NOT (Renee)</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Poppins NOT (Renee)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, sorry to pester, but I love the Jesus Prayer graphic.  Is that your original work?  Can I use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, sorry to pester, but I love the Jesus Prayer graphic.  Is that your original work?  Can I use it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Poppins NOT (Renee)</title>
		<link>http://squarezero.org/2006-0228/sunday-of-cheesefare/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Poppins NOT (Renee)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got your link up today, just thought you would like to know. 

Your post is very encouraging, thankyou!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got your link up today, just thought you would like to know. </p>
<p>Your post is very encouraging, thankyou!</p>
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